Posted by: papagiorgio200 | February 23, 2009

An Introduction to Myself [Papa Giorgio]

An Introduction,

I felt it necessary to post a short biography of what brings me, Papa Giorgio, here to blog. A year after I was born my parents divorced. My father was in the music business and was involved in drugs while he was the road manager for a short while for Wilson Pickett, and the settling into his job as road manager for Mitch Rider and the Detroit Wheels. My mother was a hippie, finally settling down with a fellow hippie in Detroit. My dad settled in California, where all music hounds ended up.

In 1976, my father was saved through the ministry of Ma Bean, a skinny little charismatic woman who had a ministry in Southern California. It was part of the early “Jesus Movement,” where hippies were giving up their drug highs for the “high of Holy Spirit.” After my dad was born again, he started to contact us in order to be involved in his son’s life. He would travel once-and-a-while to Detroit to visit with his family and also see me. In 1982, one of my mom’s aunts who lived out in California was sick, so my mom went to visit. During this visit, my dad was key in bringing my mom to the Lord. After her return to Detroit my mom divorced her current husband and we moved to California where she was remarried to my father in a charismatic Catholic church service. We attended Church on the Way (Jack Hayford’s church), visited the Catholic church when there was a Charismatic service, and TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network) was on 24/7, everything else was of the devil.

Many years later, after my parents were yet divorced again (mainly due to no real doctrine being present in their life, just emotional Christianity, their subjective wills were not firmly based in the immovable will of the revealed God of Scripture), I remember my dad having just enough to pay another month of his mortgage, or paying TBN during one of their faith marathons. During this particular drive, TBN had a fire pit built in back of their California studio and promised that no matter what a person’s financial need and situation was, that they could receive 10-times the amount given — and very possibly more. So my dad took his last $2,000 and sent it in. Obviously he lost the house, and ultimately his life (see my upcoming eulogy for my dad), because of such faulty theology and taking the Bible out of its proper hermeneutic of Biblical interpretation.

It is this type of thinking that has devastated my family as well as taking the life of my father. It is not just another form of Christianity, it is a killer form if taken to its logical end. Which is why I must participate in such a site, if only to reach one soul with the true freedom found in a proper understanding of Law and Grace. There is freedom for those who take up their cross, in this case, it is a cross of understanding what Jesus died for… hint, it wasn’t for my father’s mortgage. Jesus died for something more valuable than that, more valuable than all the money racked in by TBN…. He died for your soul.

My Eulogy for My Father
On October 25th I was reading Scripture to my dad who had recently come home with a diagnosis of two-months to live, when his breathing started getting worse than it already was. I stopped reading from the Word and started to fluff the pillows and blankets surrounding my father. He managed to gasp “help” and shortly thereafter was strong enough to cry a bit, as I did as well, while telling him that I loved him and wiping the drool from his mouth and the sweat from his brow. I could not dial 911 or call for help because my father was sent home with us for this reason… to pass as comfortable as possible. All I could do is watch my father suffocate to death. He looked scared. Not because he lacked faith in God, but because the natural tendency of mankind is to live. He was also coming to the understanding that the doctors were correct and his theology flawed… realizing your life is slipping away and having so many open ends in it can be daunting, to say the least.

His lungs were full of cancer most likely because of spreading due to his colon cancer. His diagnosis and planned operation for his colon were set at a date about a year-and-a-half ago. He pushed off two dates because he was claiming a healing by faith. Finally, in his primary physician’s office, his doctor was at her wits end. When she left, I told my dad that if he did not get the operation that I was through with helping him. He yelled at me this favorite saying of word-faith teachers, “GET BEHIND ME SATAN!” This is important and should not be lost on the audience, I am his son telling him to follow his doctor’s suggestion and quit canceling his operation dates, and I am Satan, according to his theology. He finally acquiesced and got the operation. He did great, and he looked better and better. I went with him to his only meeting with his regular physician, she showed amazement (as did I upon finding out the information) that he didn’t go to his scheduled meeting with the specialist that one would see after a major colon cancer operation. My father rejected any form of chemotherapy or radiation therap. The doctor was worried that the cancer had spread and they wanted to kill as much of the cancer as they could thus extending my father’s life. My father rejected this and refused to even see his regular doctor.

You see, this type of thinking is ingrained in the word-faith movement that was popularized by TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network) and taken from the writings of Kenneth Hagin and later Kenneth Copeland. My father had just about every Hagin booklet available. Fast forward to a couple of weeks ago (originally posted 11-3-08 elsewhere) and my father was being told that he had cancer all over his body. Especially in his lungs, in fact they were damn near over taken by it as well as some liquid filling them. It took two doctors to get the point across that there was nothing more they could do. My dad almost begged in his asking for chemotherapy to help extend his life. Obviously, it was too late for that. It was sad to see him put in a corner of the 1-for-1 odds of our death, this realization was tough for him and I.

It did not take long for my dad to revert to saying that Satan was a liar and that he was going to be healed. It is regrettable that many at his church could comment positively upon reflection of my father’s rebuking of Satan and his claiming his healing by faith. I wonder if they realized what they were saying? He was denying his sickness in the hope that his positive confession would express enough faith to receive his healing that he believes is promised to him via the atonement (atonement: the reconciliation of God and humans brought about by the redemptive life and death of Jesus).

True Christians do not get Sick:
Benny Hinn
Hobart Freeman
Fred Price
Fred Price
Kenneth Copeland

Sickness is Demonic:
Robert Tilton
Benny Hinn

Faith is a force & James 4 is stupid:
Kenneth Copeland
Fred Price
Crouch, Price, Tilton, Hagin

And this is the crux of the matter which I will explain more in the actual eulogy I did at my dad’s service. After my presentation, one woman, came up to me after and said she would love to have seen my father and I heatedly discuss the issue of healing in the atonement. I did not know what to say! I wanted to say that what she did not realize was that my position had been proven in my father’s death. There was no need for an argument, death is a 1-for-1 happening. Obviously, there will be a time when all of creation, hence mankind, will be in perfect harmony again as the creation God intended… anyone listening to my presentation thoughtfully would realize such when I read from Romans chapter 8 from two different versions. However, I fear that not too many listened with a sharp ear.

So now I am anguished a bit at my dad’s last attempt to shed a tear right before he took his last breath. Was it because he faltered in his faith and was frightened that he had been wrong all these years due to his non-healing? Was it because he had unfinished business with loved ones… namely his son? Did all the stuff he accumulated in his apartment supplant what he really needed, a family, his grandsons, daughter-in-law? (He drove for years past our condominium within a football field distance three-or-four times a week going to his church without stopping in once.) Whatever his reasoning was, I couldn’t do anything but cry and tell him I loved him.

(like I am now)

And these folks at his church as wonderful as they are and were to him are just so caught up in their emotions that a healthy-well-balanced understanding of scripture is too much to ask for. The charismatic and Pentecostal tradition has a lot to answer for in the proverbial “by-and-by.” Mind you, I truly believe many of them are saved and are going to heaven. This being said, as well as God’s ability to work through our fallen nature and subsequent butchering of the Gospel message, the lives lived and touched are done so out of an unhealthy view of Scripture, God, and the Atonement.

(Here I am adding a caveat. If people follow the Word-Faith theology to its logical conclusion, then the person may not in fact be saved at all. My father rejected much of the following… I know because we argued this stuff for years. Some dangerous views that could lead some to eternal separation from their Creator are: Jesus not God – Paul Crouch Kenneth Copeland; God is a man, another audio – Kenneth Copeland; Trinity isn’t three, but nine – Benny Hinn; more Trinity misteps – Benny Hinn [God the Father has a body] Paul Crouch [Trinity not important]; Adam flew to the moon – Benny Hinn; men become gods – Benny Hinn; men are gods – John Avanzini and Morris Cerullo. I could go on but the point is made. You can find more HERE.)

…But just like the early movement in the Corinthian church that had a similar emotional outburst and rejected a healthy-well-balanced theology that Paul spoke to in 1 Corinthian 14:23, so too would Paul rebuke gracefully and doctrinally my dad’s church. I think my eulogy, then, is fitting for what I wanted to express… what I needed to express.

Enjoy, I entitled it,

“O’ Sweet Exchange”
I love the smell of Scripture. It even smells like grace. In fact, we have a smell to, 2nd Corinthians 2:15 says that “because of Christ, we give off a sweet scent rising to God.” We are truly a new creation, even down to our aroma! And I have seen Pastor Andre after he has worked on one of his tanks, so I am sure this substitution of aroma wrought by Christ’s sacrifice on Calvary is much appreciated by him.

Many of you probably know by now that I am Ron’s son. I will always be his boy, but am nonetheless a man with my own family. And the very recent passing of my father got me thinking about our lives and the promises we have in scripture in regards to our eternal security. Now let me confess that there is no “holy theology.” Man is corrupt from the inside out and we tend to corrupt most things we touch, even the plain and simple promises of the Word. All one has to do is study church history or read the letters to the churches to get a good grasp at how quickly we can goof things up. One example is found in Galatians 1:6 where the apostle Paul admonishes the church in Galatia when he says: “I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel.” Another version reads, “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel.” Yet another version says the apostle was amazed. Why amazed? Paul was writing the Galatians in A.D. 49, a church he founded on his first missionary journey only three years earlier.

You see, we tend to corrupt things quickly and efficiently, and it takes the Holy Spirit daily infecting our lives through the Word of God and the body of Christ to keep us focused on the goal that Paul says we are to strive for. My father had a clear understanding of this goal and I have no doubt he is present with the Lord because he is definitely absent from his body. My goal here then is not to mourn his gain, that would be futile. My goal is to bring a deeper understanding to something he struggled with here that may offer some clarity in your own walk.

You see, we do not see as clearly as my father now does for he has lived on both sides of 1 Corinthians 13:12, which the Message translates thusly: “We don’t yet see things clearly. We’re squinting in a fog, peering through a mist. But it won’t be long before the weather clears and the sun shines bright! We’ll see it all then, see it all as clearly as God sees us, knowing him directly just as he knows us!

My father see’s as he was once seen. He fully realizes the cost for his soul that Christ suffered on the Cross for, which we still only dimly see. Isaiah speaks to this in chapter 53:4-5: “Surely He has borne our griefs And carried our sorrows; Yet we esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.” Matthew Henry (my Dad’s favorite Commentary) says of Isaiah 53 that,

Sin is not only a crime, for which we were condemned to die and which Christ purchased for us the pardon of, but it is a disease, which tends directly to the death of our souls and which Christ provided for the cure of. By his stripes (that is, the sufferings he underwent) he purchased for us the Spirit and grace of God to mortify our corruptions, which are the distempers of our souls, and to put our souls in a good state of health, that they may be fit to serve God and prepared to enjoy him.

Bible scholars John Walvoord and Roy Zuck comment that Isaiah here “refers to illnesses of the soul. His healing many people’s physical illnesses (though not all of them) in His earthly ministry anticipated His greater work on the Cross. Though He does heal physical ailments today (though not all of them) His greater work is healing souls, giving salvation from sin.” 1 Peter 2:24 & 25 sheds some light on this promise:

who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed. For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.

Walvoord and Zuck make mention that this verse “does not refer to physical healing for the verb’s past tense indicates completed action, the “healing” is an accomplished fact. The reference is to salvation. Christ’s suffering and death accomplished ‘healing,’ the salvation of every individual who trusts Him as his Savior.” They continue:

1. The apostle Paul couldn’t heal Timothy’s stomach problem (1 Tim. 5:23);
2. nor could he heal Trophimus trof-i-mus at Miletus (2 Tim. 4:20)
3. or Epaphroditus ee-paf-ro-DAI-tuhs (Phil. 2:25–27).
4. Paul spoke of “a bodily illness” he had (Gal. 4:13–15).
5. He also suffered a “thorn in the flesh” which God allowed him to retain (2 Cor. 12:7–9).
6. God certainly allowed Job to go through a time of physical suffering (Job 1–2).

In none of these cases is it stated that the sickness was caused by sin or unbelief. Nor did Paul or any of the others act as if they thought their healing was guaranteed in the atonement. They accepted their situations and trusted in God’s grace for sustenance.

It must be noted as well that on two occasions Jesus said that sickness could be for the glory of God (John 9:3; 11:4).

Other Scriptures as well reveal that our physical bodies are continuously running down and suffering various ailments. Our present bodies are said to be perishable and weak (1 Cor. 15:42–44). Paul said “our outer man is decaying” (2 Cor. 4:16). Death and disease will be a part of the human condition until that time when we receive resurrection bodies that are immune to such frailties (1 Cor. 15:51–55).

Going back though to Isaiah 53, let us suppose that these verses did teach the panacea or elixir of physical healing some claim it does. This interpretation carries an unwelcome corollary. That is… If healing is in the atonement and is accessed by faith, then those who die due to lack of faith must remain in their sins. They die without hope. Why? Because if both healing and salvation are included in this passage, they must be accessed in the same way. And if one does not have enough faith to make oneself well, it follows that he cannot have enough faith to be saved.

This logical conclusion of faith teachers I reject of course, but I reject it based on Scripture telling us in Romans 8:22-25 that:

For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.

The Message Bible paraphrases these verses thus:

All around us we observe a pregnant creation. The difficult times of pain throughout the world are simply birth pangs. But it’s not only around us; it’s within us. The Spirit of God is arousing us within. We’re also feeling the birth pangs. These sterile and barren bodies of ours are yearning for full deliverance. That is why waiting does not diminish us, any more than waiting diminishes a pregnant mother. We are enlarged in the waiting. We, of course, don’t see what is enlarging us. But the longer we wait, the larger we become, and the more joyful our expectancy.

This healthy-well-balanced understanding of Scripture and the atonement led famous hymnist Thomas Chisholm (1866-1960) to pen this song about Isaiah 53:

Verse 1
He was wounded for our transgressions,
He bore our sins in His body on the tree;
For our guilt He gave us peace,
From our bondage gave release,
And with His stripes,
And with His stripes,
And with His stripes our souls are healed.

Verse 2
He was numbered among transgressors,
We did esteem Him forsaken by His God;
As our sacrifice He died,
That the law be satisfied,
And all our sin,
And all our sin,
And all our sin was laid on Him.

Verse 3
We had wandered, we all had wandered
Far from the fold of the Shepherd of the sheep;
But He sought us where we were,
On the mountains bleak and bare,
And brought us home,
And brought us home,
And brought us safely home to God.

Verse 4
Who can number His generation?
Who shall declare all the triumphs of His Cross?
Millions, dead, now live again,
Myriads follow in His train!
Victorious Lord,
Victorious Lord,
Victorious Lord and coming King!

D.A. Carson concludes that the meaning of Isaiah 53 “grows in clarity through these verses: the pain Christ is bearing in verse 4 is ours; it is the punishment of sin in verse 5a; it is the price of salvation in 5b.” Warren Wiersp takes notice that to say there is “healing in the Atonement,” and that every believer has the “right” to claim it, is to misinterpret Scripture. He goes on to say of 1st Peter 2:24 that “God is not obligated to heal all sicknesses. He is obligated, however, to save all sinners who call on Him.” It is this obligation of salvation of the man and healing of the soul that my father did take God up on, I hope you will as well.
End of “O’ Sweet Exchange”

At the end of others talking about my father, I had a recording of my father which he apparently recorded on accident during one of his church services on his camcorder. With some help from Pastor Russ from my church the two video files were joined into one audio file. This posthumous find is a very special find and was equally so at the end of the service… enjoy:

Having just read PG’s testimony again. I want to say THANK YOU FOR SHARING IT WITH US!!!!!!! Damon 4/30/09



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  3. Papa Giorgio, thank you for sharing such a personal matter relating to your Dad’s journey through his illnes. Divine healing can be a complicated subject. My mom died at sixty-one after a two-year terminal illness. She was one of those quiet non-opinionated ladies who did nothing for herself….but served husband and three daughters with every ounce of her being. She began symptoms of Parkinsons and was given a medication by the neurologist treating her. He severly overdosed her with the medication which quickly caused permanent vascular damage. She was at home with 24/7 nursing care. She and my dad, still sweetheart at forty-two years of marriage, were trusting God to sustain them through the trial. Mother submitted herself to everything mentioned in scripture….anointing with oil, prayer of faith, and so forth. But there were no physical improvements. She could not speak so she spelled out her words on an alphabet page. Daddy came into her home/hospital room every morning before leaving for work….for a ‘matching’ tie check. Church friends and family would come to visit….to cheer her. But the ‘cheering’ was always done by her. Subsequently, the time came that the doctors could do nothing and instructed daddy and us daughters that our time with her was short. She moved from death to Life with God quickly on January 7th after a wonderful family Christmas. Our hearts were broken, but sadly glad, that she had finished her ‘journey’ here. Some fifteen years earlier, just after they moved into the newly built home where she died….God gave her a vision showing her that He would come for her, personally, there at that home. When she shared it with us, just weeks after they moved into the new home, I was so awestruct. I said to her, “Mother, it will happen just as He has shown you.” Just weeks before she died, I discussed with her the vision. Her eyes brightened….and a slight smile managed to show itself at one side of her mouth. I reminded her again that it would be just as she had been shown. When the time came, she would be taken, fearlessly, to the city of God. Her brown eyes opened wide with excitment. She simply nodded her head to affirm a big ‘YES.’

    After she was gone, we had time to look back at all the blessings received during her illness. A nursing agency opened locally, just to care for her. Daddy’s ministerial insurance covered her sufficiently to pay the agency enough to operate. They added other patients and were able to serve even more ill patients. The healing we all hoped for had come. We didn’t recognize it because it was not physical. Her spirit was healed. She had perfect peace and joy throughout the ordeal. Her body was broken but her heart and mind were whole. She knew, like Paul, that if there was ‘hope of this world only’….we would be so miserable. Word of Faith practices for physical healings in all situation…shortcircuits the purpose of God in finding ‘strength’ in ‘weakness.’

    For years now, I have not been able to pray for physical healings. I only pray ‘thy will be done.’ I have a daughter, 23, who has an insulin pump after being diagnosed at age ten with Type 1 diabetes mellitus (juvenile diabetes). God has shown me that physical healing is still available to us, from Him, today. But it is not now…now was it at the time of Christ on earth……the priority. Subsequently, I have given my sweet daughter to him. His compassion is so much greater than mine. He knows her heart….her suffering….her needs. I don’t. What more could I do for my daughter. Why would I trust her immense needs to Word of Faith doctrine when I can give her into the hand of the living God…directly!

    I think we likely would be SHOCKED if we understood how little God needs us in order for his purposes to be accomplished. GOD RULES! Daniel 4:17 reveals God giving Nebuchadnezzar a ‘who rules’ lesson in Babylon. God truly ‘rules in the kingdom of men.’ It is indeed false doctrine for the Clay to usurp the authority of the Potter.

    I am just simply so encouraged to see the ministry all of you have in clearing the cobwebs connected to Word of Faith doctrine. The doctrine is so widespread it seemingly has become the ‘life’ of the apostate church.


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